Comments on: And Redfin wonders why some traditional real estate agents are, um, “hostile”? http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html Commentary on the real estate market of the San Francisco Bay Area Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:45:15 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: estate agents http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html/comment-page-1#comment-150852 estate agents Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:46:04 +0000 http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html#comment-150852 I have just found your site. Very happy to find a site with some useful information about estate agents that I have been looking for, but not been able to find before. I have added you to my bookmarks, so that I will be able to visit you again. Can you suggest any related topics that I can search for to find out even more information? Thanks, Steve I have just found your site. Very happy to find a site with some useful information about estate agents that I have been looking for, but not been able to find before. I have added you to my bookmarks, so that I will be able to visit you again. Can you suggest any related topics that I can search for to find out even more information? Thanks, Steve

]]> By: Chris Dade http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html/comment-page-1#comment-100020 Chris Dade Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:22:00 +0000 http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html#comment-100020 In response to Jay Matthews: I guess you forgot how Walmart revolutionized the retail industry. They employ over 1 million people and have more revenue than some countries total GDP. There will always be other real estate companies, just like there will always be other retailers, but there will be a shift from paying 2 to 3 times as much for the same thing. There is a price point where people are fed up with the commisions made on minimal effort. In response to Jay Matthews:

I guess you forgot how Walmart revolutionized the retail industry. They employ over 1 million people and have more revenue than some countries total GDP. There will always be other real estate companies, just like there will always be other retailers, but there will be a shift from paying 2 to 3 times as much for the same thing. There is a price point where people are fed up with the commisions made on minimal effort.

]]> By: Jay Matthews http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html/comment-page-1#comment-32664 Jay Matthews Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:08:35 +0000 http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html#comment-32664 In response to Marla's comment: I'm not scared, or angry. The emergence of Redfin and companies like it speaks to a market niche being identified and exploited - it's business as usual in the bigger picture of capitalism. It truly isn't as "revolutionary" as so many seem to think - these models are simply catering to people who shop strictly on price. This niche has always existed and it always will (think Wal-Mart). Those who contend that all consumers will eventually shop only on price lack perspective on how consumerism really works, in my humble opinion. In response to Marla’s comment:

I’m not scared, or angry. The emergence of Redfin and companies like it speaks to a market niche being identified and exploited – it’s business as usual in the bigger picture of capitalism. It truly isn’t as “revolutionary” as so many seem to think – these models are simply catering to people who shop strictly on price. This niche has always existed and it always will (think Wal-Mart). Those who contend that all consumers will eventually shop only on price lack perspective on how consumerism really works, in my humble opinion.

]]> By: Redfin Launches Consumers’ Bill of Rights | 3 Oceans -- The San Francisco Bay Area Real Estate Blog http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html/comment-page-1#comment-31273 Redfin Launches Consumers’ Bill of Rights | 3 Oceans -- The San Francisco Bay Area Real Estate Blog Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:05:13 +0000 http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html#comment-31273 [...] Not because I am uncritically accepting of everything Redfin foes; quite the contrary, I have called them out on blurring the distinction between correlation and causation (see my articles Redfin Numbers Food Fight and Agents Who Take More Pictures are Better Negotiators), I have criticized their advertising as needless stick-it-in-the-eye tactics, and I have criticized Glenn for making reckless statements to the media that does nothing to endear him to the real estate community. Not because I think Redfin’s business model will revolutionize the industry and change the way things are done forever. Quite the contrary, I remain skeptical that reimbursing 2/3rds of the commission on the revenue side, while spending heaps of money on the technology side, is a long-term recipe for success. Why then am I supporting this initiative? Simply because I like the idea of somebody shaking up this industry and standing up for the consumer, and if that “somebody” happens to be a competitor, so be it. I have never doubted Glenn’s commitment to being firmly on the consumer’s side, and I have no problem with his company making money from it. I don’t even have a problem with Redfin getting positive publicity from it because I know that’s not the primary reason they’re launching this initiative. As this conversation continues — which will no doubt become quite contentious, as befits many Redfin initiatives — we’ll get into the meat and potatoes of the Bill of Rights itself. I’m not in unanimous consent on all the issues — for instance, I think there are situations in which dual agency is not only needed, but is best for both clients — but overall I like what I see and I’m happy putting my name behind it. [...] [...] Not because I am uncritically accepting of everything Redfin foes; quite the contrary, I have called them out on blurring the distinction between correlation and causation (see my articles Redfin Numbers Food Fight and Agents Who Take More Pictures are Better Negotiators), I have criticized their advertising as needless stick-it-in-the-eye tactics, and I have criticized Glenn for making reckless statements to the media that does nothing to endear him to the real estate community. Not because I think Redfin’s business model will revolutionize the industry and change the way things are done forever. Quite the contrary, I remain skeptical that reimbursing 2/3rds of the commission on the revenue side, while spending heaps of money on the technology side, is a long-term recipe for success. Why then am I supporting this initiative? Simply because I like the idea of somebody shaking up this industry and standing up for the consumer, and if that “somebody” happens to be a competitor, so be it. I have never doubted Glenn’s commitment to being firmly on the consumer’s side, and I have no problem with his company making money from it. I don’t even have a problem with Redfin getting positive publicity from it because I know that’s not the primary reason they’re launching this initiative. As this conversation continues — which will no doubt become quite contentious, as befits many Redfin initiatives — we’ll get into the meat and potatoes of the Bill of Rights itself. I’m not in unanimous consent on all the issues — for instance, I think there are situations in which dual agency is not only needed, but is best for both clients — but overall I like what I see and I’m happy putting my name behind it. [...]

]]> By: TRANSPARENT REAL ESTATE (www.TransparentRE.com) http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html/comment-page-1#comment-20070 TRANSPARENT REAL ESTATE (www.TransparentRE.com) Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:54:03 +0000 http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html#comment-20070 <strong>Cyberhomes learns from Real Estate 2.0 Pioneers...</strong> Last week, I had a conversation with Marty Frame, Fidelity National Real Estate Solutions (FNRES) Chief Information Officer, and builder of its Cyberhomes automated valuation model ("AVM") product. We discussed the state of Real Estate 2.0 and Marty ... Cyberhomes learns from Real Estate 2.0 Pioneers…

Last week, I had a conversation with Marty Frame, Fidelity National Real Estate Solutions (FNRES) Chief Information Officer, and builder of its Cyberhomes automated valuation model (”AVM”) product. We discussed the state of Real Estate 2.0 and Marty …

]]> By: Norm Fisher http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html/comment-page-1#comment-17271 Norm Fisher Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:08:49 +0000 http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html#comment-17271 Good post. It brings to mind a recent post on Seth Godin's blog titled, Electable vs. Marketable. http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2007/01/electable_vs_ma.html This ad is probably the wise approach for Redfin to take but they have to willing to quit the team if they want to do it. Good post. It brings to mind a recent post on Seth Godin’s blog titled, Electable vs. Marketable.

http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2007/01/electable_vs_ma.html

This ad is probably the wise approach for Redfin to take but they have to willing to quit the team if they want to do it.

]]> By: 360Digest » Worth repeating http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html/comment-page-1#comment-17250 360Digest » Worth repeating Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:55:14 +0000 http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html#comment-17250 [...] Kevin Boer featured this lovely ad on his site the other day in this story “And Redfin wonders why some traditional real estate agents are, um, “hostile“?” [...] [...] Kevin Boer featured this lovely ad on his site the other day in this story “And Redfin wonders why some traditional real estate agents are, um, “hostile“?” [...]

]]> By: ehomesblog.com » Blog Archive » New business that offers disintermediation launched… http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html/comment-page-1#comment-17047 ehomesblog.com » Blog Archive » New business that offers disintermediation launched… Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:30:38 +0000 http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html#comment-17047 [...] With massive savings to be made by vendors who embrace the cheapest, most efficient mass-medium yet devised by man entrepreneurs are seizing the opportunity to take a slice of the lucrative real estate pie… No wonder estate agents get a little sensitive over this issue. Redfin is a new brand based in the west coasrt of the States. There are some comments on 3 Oceans blog - a good blog site by a west coast realtor Kevin Boer - if you want to see the reaction by traditional agents. [...] [...] With massive savings to be made by vendors who embrace the cheapest, most efficient mass-medium yet devised by man entrepreneurs are seizing the opportunity to take a slice of the lucrative real estate pie… No wonder estate agents get a little sensitive over this issue. Redfin is a new brand based in the west coasrt of the States. There are some comments on 3 Oceans blog – a good blog site by a west coast realtor Kevin Boer – if you want to see the reaction by traditional agents. [...]

]]> By: marla mullen http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html/comment-page-1#comment-16835 marla mullen Wed, 03 Jan 2007 20:09:56 +0000 http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html#comment-16835 If they don't last past the Mississippi River another agency with the same business model will, trust me ... Sorry, guys, your monopolistic business model is about to be broken so instead of being scared and angry i would prepare for the inevitable. MM If they don’t last past the Mississippi River another agency with the same business model will, trust me … Sorry, guys, your monopolistic business model is about to be broken so instead of being scared and angry i would prepare for the inevitable.

MM

]]> By: Jim Lee http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html/comment-page-1#comment-16833 Jim Lee Wed, 03 Jan 2007 18:23:49 +0000 http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html#comment-16833 No kidding, not a good way to win friends &.......etc. We don't have Redfin in our area yet; be interesting to see if they last long enought to make it east of the Mississippi River. ;-) No kidding, not a good way to win friends &…….etc.

We don’t have Redfin in our area yet; be interesting to see if they last long enought to make it east of the Mississippi River. ;-)

]]> By: jf.sellsius http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html/comment-page-1#comment-16149 jf.sellsius Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:00:50 +0000 http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html#comment-16149 I agree with you Kevin. Better to pick a side, even if it's adversarial, than to ride the fence. Polarization is not a bad thing. Those that take the contrary view against the traditional way of doing things, and do it strongly, will attract similar strong willed followers/clients. The problem with real estate, however, is that the co-broke is an interwined element. That is an issue Redfin has to overcome in some way. Time to get creative Glenn. I agree with you Kevin. Better to pick a side, even if it’s adversarial, than to ride the fence. Polarization is not a bad thing. Those that take the contrary view against the traditional way of doing things, and do it strongly, will attract similar strong willed followers/clients.
The problem with real estate, however, is that the co-broke is an interwined element. That is an issue Redfin has to overcome in some way. Time to get creative Glenn.

]]> By: Doug Quance http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html/comment-page-1#comment-16095 Doug Quance Sat, 30 Dec 2006 04:43:21 +0000 http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/and-redfin-wonders-why-some-traditional-real-estate-agents-are-um-hostile.html#comment-16095 It obviously didn't take Redfin too long to pull that ad. :lol: Since listing agents control the co-broke, they really should be nicer about the way they conduct their business. All my listings now will carry a co-broke reduction to 1% if I show the property to another brokers client. They can share that 1% however they see fit. It obviously didn’t take Redfin too long to pull that ad. :lol:

Since listing agents control the co-broke, they really should be nicer about the way they conduct their business.

All my listings now will carry a co-broke reduction to 1% if I show the property to another brokers client. They can share that 1% however they see fit.

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