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	<title>Comments on: Redfin Launches Consumers&#8217; Bill of Rights</title>
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		<title>By: Reuben Moore</title>
		<link>http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/redfin-launches-consumers-bill-of-rights.html/comment-page-1#comment-44574</link>
		<dc:creator>Reuben Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 18:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consumer protection, Redfin style:

Redfin tells their buyers to contact the listing agent to view properties. If the listing agent is uncooperative, Redfin threatens to simply bypass the listing agent and go directly to the seller. Redfin&#039;s thinking is that the listing agent is not going to like this because the seller hired the listing agent to sell the property and they will be hopping mad when they (the seller) discovers that the listing agent is refusing to show their property.

I wonder what is going to happen when Redfin inevitably encounters a listing agent/firm that offers the same type of consumer protection to the seller.

Buyer: Hi, we&#039;d like to see your listing at 101 Main Street.

Listing Agent: Hey, that&#039;s Great! Are you working with an agent?

Buyer: Yes, we hired Redfin to represent us as our buyer&#039;s agent.

Listing Agent: Excellent! All of our properties are MLS listed, and as MLS members, Redfin can show it to you.

Buyer: But that is not the way Redfin works, we need you to show it to us.

Listing Agent: Nah, my own clients keep me pretty busy. And besides, the game&#039;s about to start.

Buyer: Hello, Mr. Seller? I am a potential buyer interested in seeing your property for sale.

Seller: Great! Call my listing agent.

Buyer: You know, I did that. And, he would not show it to me! Can you believe that?

Seller: Well...are, you already working with a real estate agent?

Buyer: Yes, we are working with Redfin.

Seller: Well, I am not familiar with that firm, but no doubt, they would be delighted to show you the property.

Buyer: Well, no Mr. Seller, that is not how Redfin works. You see, when we use Redfin, the listing agent or the seller must show us the property.

Seller: I see, well I hired a real estate agent to sell my property because I don&#039;t have time to deal with it myself. That&#039;s the whole reason I agreed to pay them a commission.

Buyer: Well exactly! And, can you believe that that listing agent you hired is not willing to do what you are paying them for?!?

Seller: How&#039;s that?

Buyer: Well, he won&#039;t show me the property!

Seller: You know, as I recall, the majority of the real estate commission I am paying is actually turned over to the buyer&#039;s agent.

Buyer: Well, you see, Redfin rebates two-thirds of their commission to me, as the buyer.

Seller: Well, okay, I guess. I mean, I really do not care what they do with the commission so long as my property gets sold. Nevertheless, I am paying them to show the property.

Buyer: Actually, Mr. Seller, as the buyer, I am the only person bringing money to this transaction.

Seller: That may be true, but as the seller, I am accepting a net less than the market value of the property in order to fund these two real estate agents. So you might say that we are each paying our share, maybe? But okay, for the sake of argument, YOU are paying the buyer&#039;s agent to show you the property. So, get them to show it to you....

Buyer: Well, not really, because they are rebating the money back to me.

Seller: So, you are NOT paying them to show you the property?

Buyer: Right!

Seller: Well then, who exactly are you paying to show you the property?

Buyer: Ah, I guess, no one.

Seller: Have a nice day....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consumer protection, Redfin style:</p>
<p>Redfin tells their buyers to contact the listing agent to view properties. If the listing agent is uncooperative, Redfin threatens to simply bypass the listing agent and go directly to the seller. Redfin&#8217;s thinking is that the listing agent is not going to like this because the seller hired the listing agent to sell the property and they will be hopping mad when they (the seller) discovers that the listing agent is refusing to show their property.</p>
<p>I wonder what is going to happen when Redfin inevitably encounters a listing agent/firm that offers the same type of consumer protection to the seller.</p>
<p>Buyer: Hi, we&#8217;d like to see your listing at 101 Main Street.</p>
<p>Listing Agent: Hey, that&#8217;s Great! Are you working with an agent?</p>
<p>Buyer: Yes, we hired Redfin to represent us as our buyer&#8217;s agent.</p>
<p>Listing Agent: Excellent! All of our properties are MLS listed, and as MLS members, Redfin can show it to you.</p>
<p>Buyer: But that is not the way Redfin works, we need you to show it to us.</p>
<p>Listing Agent: Nah, my own clients keep me pretty busy. And besides, the game&#8217;s about to start.</p>
<p>Buyer: Hello, Mr. Seller? I am a potential buyer interested in seeing your property for sale.</p>
<p>Seller: Great! Call my listing agent.</p>
<p>Buyer: You know, I did that. And, he would not show it to me! Can you believe that?</p>
<p>Seller: Well&#8230;are, you already working with a real estate agent?</p>
<p>Buyer: Yes, we are working with Redfin.</p>
<p>Seller: Well, I am not familiar with that firm, but no doubt, they would be delighted to show you the property.</p>
<p>Buyer: Well, no Mr. Seller, that is not how Redfin works. You see, when we use Redfin, the listing agent or the seller must show us the property.</p>
<p>Seller: I see, well I hired a real estate agent to sell my property because I don&#8217;t have time to deal with it myself. That&#8217;s the whole reason I agreed to pay them a commission.</p>
<p>Buyer: Well exactly! And, can you believe that that listing agent you hired is not willing to do what you are paying them for?!?</p>
<p>Seller: How&#8217;s that?</p>
<p>Buyer: Well, he won&#8217;t show me the property!</p>
<p>Seller: You know, as I recall, the majority of the real estate commission I am paying is actually turned over to the buyer&#8217;s agent.</p>
<p>Buyer: Well, you see, Redfin rebates two-thirds of their commission to me, as the buyer.</p>
<p>Seller: Well, okay, I guess. I mean, I really do not care what they do with the commission so long as my property gets sold. Nevertheless, I am paying them to show the property.</p>
<p>Buyer: Actually, Mr. Seller, as the buyer, I am the only person bringing money to this transaction.</p>
<p>Seller: That may be true, but as the seller, I am accepting a net less than the market value of the property in order to fund these two real estate agents. So you might say that we are each paying our share, maybe? But okay, for the sake of argument, YOU are paying the buyer&#8217;s agent to show you the property. So, get them to show it to you&#8230;.</p>
<p>Buyer: Well, not really, because they are rebating the money back to me.</p>
<p>Seller: So, you are NOT paying them to show you the property?</p>
<p>Buyer: Right!</p>
<p>Seller: Well then, who exactly are you paying to show you the property?</p>
<p>Buyer: Ah, I guess, no one.</p>
<p>Seller: Have a nice day&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reuben Moore</title>
		<link>http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/redfin-launches-consumers-bill-of-rights.html/comment-page-1#comment-33083</link>
		<dc:creator>Reuben Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red Herring Real Estate....

Redfin&#039;s &quot;Real Estate Consumer&#039;s Bill of Rights&quot; and their entire business model is a distraction from the real structural issues in the real estate business. The Redfin goal is not to address the issues in our industry, but to simply take advantage of them.

I propose we re-name them, &quot;Red Herring Real Estate&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red Herring Real Estate&#8230;.</p>
<p>Redfin&#8217;s &#8220;Real Estate Consumer&#8217;s Bill of Rights&#8221; and their entire business model is a distraction from the real structural issues in the real estate business. The Redfin goal is not to address the issues in our industry, but to simply take advantage of them.</p>
<p>I propose we re-name them, &#8220;Red Herring Real Estate&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Wisest of the crowds &#187; Consumer Bill Rights - thanks Glenn!</title>
		<link>http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/redfin-launches-consumers-bill-of-rights.html/comment-page-1#comment-31991</link>
		<dc:creator>Wisest of the crowds &#187; Consumer Bill Rights - thanks Glenn!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A lot of people have spent considerable time weighing in. Notable positive reviews include Kevin Boer of 3 Oceans Real Estate and Joel Burlesome of Future of Real Estate. Notable undeclared bloggers are Ardell Dellaloggia of Rain City and Christine Forgione of NY Houses for sale. A thorough and negative review comes from Greg Swann of Bloodhound. All worth a read. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A lot of people have spent considerable time weighing in. Notable positive reviews include Kevin Boer of 3 Oceans Real Estate and Joel Burlesome of Future of Real Estate. Notable undeclared bloggers are Ardell Dellaloggia of Rain City and Christine Forgione of NY Houses for sale. A thorough and negative review comes from Greg Swann of Bloodhound. All worth a read. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Danilo Bogdanovic</title>
		<link>http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/redfin-launches-consumers-bill-of-rights.html/comment-page-1#comment-31926</link>
		<dc:creator>Danilo Bogdanovic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great concept, but... 

How about doing a random survey of home buyers, home sellers as well as renters and asking THEM what they want their rights to be. If it&#039;s the &quot;Consumer&quot; Bill Of Rights, then shouldn&#039;t consumers have the most input?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great concept, but&#8230; </p>
<p>How about doing a random survey of home buyers, home sellers as well as renters and asking THEM what they want their rights to be. If it&#8217;s the &#8220;Consumer&#8221; Bill Of Rights, then shouldn&#8217;t consumers have the most input?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Dalton</title>
		<link>http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/redfin-launches-consumers-bill-of-rights.html/comment-page-1#comment-31526</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 04:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it truly provided some benefit to the consumer, Kevin, I would support it. But I&#039;m seeing as much here to protect and promote Redfin&#039;s model than anything else.

As I said somewhere (I&#039;ve lost track) ... if you support this, then you support Redfin&#039;s model over whatever model you may have. If you&#039;re against it, you&#039;re being painted as being un-American and against mom, apple pie and everything else.

I&#039;d hate to think we&#039;re so desperate for reform that we&#039;ll settle for self-promotion disguised as concern in the interim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it truly provided some benefit to the consumer, Kevin, I would support it. But I&#8217;m seeing as much here to protect and promote Redfin&#8217;s model than anything else.</p>
<p>As I said somewhere (I&#8217;ve lost track) &#8230; if you support this, then you support Redfin&#8217;s model over whatever model you may have. If you&#8217;re against it, you&#8217;re being painted as being un-American and against mom, apple pie and everything else.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d hate to think we&#8217;re so desperate for reform that we&#8217;ll settle for self-promotion disguised as concern in the interim.</p>
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		<title>By: RE Agent in CT &#187; Redfin Consumer Bill Of Rights Is McWeaksauce</title>
		<link>http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/redfin-launches-consumers-bill-of-rights.html/comment-page-1#comment-31525</link>
		<dc:creator>RE Agent in CT &#187; Redfin Consumer Bill Of Rights Is McWeaksauce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 04:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What on earth is going on with the parseltongue&#160;utterance from Redfin? Catch up to the plot from Greg Swann, Kevin Boer and&#160;Ardell DellaLoggia, they&#160;all take different views. Redfin leaked the news to all three and Kris Berg early. No report from Kris as yet &#8211; she turns a bigger profit than Redfin though, so she can take her time.&#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What on earth is going on with the parseltongue&nbsp;utterance from Redfin? Catch up to the plot from Greg Swann, Kevin Boer and&nbsp;Ardell DellaLoggia, they&nbsp;all take different views. Redfin leaked the news to all three and Kris Berg early. No report from Kris as yet &ndash; she turns a bigger profit than Redfin though, so she can take her time.&nbsp; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Hayton</title>
		<link>http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/redfin-launches-consumers-bill-of-rights.html/comment-page-1#comment-31404</link>
		<dc:creator>James Hayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, I am a real estate agent with Windermere in Kirkland, WA and I read your blog every now and again...I really enjoy your little tidbits...Keep up the good work! 

Anyway, all I can say is I am glad that you are willing to put down your name in favor of something such as this...It&#039;s not a perfect bill, but that is not the point in my mind. While I disagree with a few things that Refin/Glenn are doing/saying...I agree with them wholeheartedly that the industry is in need of reform.  In my mind consumers deserve more.  Regardless of whether you stand on the full service side of the fence or the limited service side, everyone needs to acknowledge that the real estate industry could use a shift in thinking.  I readily welcome a more consumer centric attitude…

Just my 2 cents…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, I am a real estate agent with Windermere in Kirkland, WA and I read your blog every now and again&#8230;I really enjoy your little tidbits&#8230;Keep up the good work! </p>
<p>Anyway, all I can say is I am glad that you are willing to put down your name in favor of something such as this&#8230;It&#8217;s not a perfect bill, but that is not the point in my mind. While I disagree with a few things that Refin/Glenn are doing/saying&#8230;I agree with them wholeheartedly that the industry is in need of reform.  In my mind consumers deserve more.  Regardless of whether you stand on the full service side of the fence or the limited service side, everyone needs to acknowledge that the real estate industry could use a shift in thinking.  I readily welcome a more consumer centric attitude…</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents…</p>
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		<title>By: Redfin&#8217;s So-Called Bill of Rights &#124; Phoenix Arizona Real Estate - Dalton&#8217;s Arizona Homes Blog</title>
		<link>http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/redfin-launches-consumers-bill-of-rights.html/comment-page-1#comment-31402</link>
		<dc:creator>Redfin&#8217;s So-Called Bill of Rights &#124; Phoenix Arizona Real Estate - Dalton&#8217;s Arizona Homes Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 22:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 3 Oceans Real Estate: Redfin Launches Consumers&#8217; Bill of Rights [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 3 Oceans Real Estate: Redfin Launches Consumers&#8217; Bill of Rights [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Boer, Realtor, 3 Oceans Real Estate</title>
		<link>http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/redfin-launches-consumers-bill-of-rights.html/comment-page-1#comment-31336</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Boer, Realtor, 3 Oceans Real Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Afthird,

Those look like excellent suggestions to add in to this initiative.  I&#039;m under no illusion that the first version is the final and best thing we could ever come up with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Afthird,</p>
<p>Those look like excellent suggestions to add in to this initiative.  I&#8217;m under no illusion that the first version is the final and best thing we could ever come up with.</p>
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		<title>By: Afthird</title>
		<link>http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/redfin-launches-consumers-bill-of-rights.html/comment-page-1#comment-31332</link>
		<dc:creator>Afthird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is Redfin&#039;s bill of self serving rights, not the consumers.

Keven, before you jump on board how about pushing to get a good set of rights.  I suggested they add these three to their bill of rights:

1. Know how experienced your agent is.  How many years have they been a real estate agent.  How many homes did they personally transact last year.  How about the year before, and the year before that?    In how many transactions were they representing the buyer and how many the seller?

2. Know if your agent is a local market expert.  How many homes have they personally sold in this neighborhood? How about this zip code?  How far away do they live?  How long have they lived in the area?  Have they been around long enough to see the ups and downs of the real estate market?  Is your agent involved in the local community?

3. Know how much expert realty advice you will receive from your agent.  Will they use their market knowledge to help you find the perfect home? Will they advise you on if a property is a good or bad investment?  Will they tell you to avoid homes that are bad choices based on their experience?  Will they personally be on the lookout for a home that meets your needs even before it comes on the market?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is Redfin&#8217;s bill of self serving rights, not the consumers.</p>
<p>Keven, before you jump on board how about pushing to get a good set of rights.  I suggested they add these three to their bill of rights:</p>
<p>1. Know how experienced your agent is.  How many years have they been a real estate agent.  How many homes did they personally transact last year.  How about the year before, and the year before that?    In how many transactions were they representing the buyer and how many the seller?</p>
<p>2. Know if your agent is a local market expert.  How many homes have they personally sold in this neighborhood? How about this zip code?  How far away do they live?  How long have they lived in the area?  Have they been around long enough to see the ups and downs of the real estate market?  Is your agent involved in the local community?</p>
<p>3. Know how much expert realty advice you will receive from your agent.  Will they use their market knowledge to help you find the perfect home? Will they advise you on if a property is a good or bad investment?  Will they tell you to avoid homes that are bad choices based on their experience?  Will they personally be on the lookout for a home that meets your needs even before it comes on the market?</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Collar Agents Blog - Redfin Introduces Consumer Bill of Rights</title>
		<link>http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/redfin-launches-consumers-bill-of-rights.html/comment-page-1#comment-31319</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Collar Agents Blog - Redfin Introduces Consumer Bill of Rights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Also, take a look at Greg Swann&#8217;s, Ardell&#8217;s, and Kevin Boer&#8217;s view on the Bill of Rights. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Also, take a look at Greg Swann&#8217;s, Ardell&#8217;s, and Kevin Boer&#8217;s view on the Bill of Rights. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BloodhoundBlog</title>
		<link>http://3oceansrealestate.com/blog/redfin-launches-consumers-bill-of-rights.html/comment-page-1#comment-31306</link>
		<dc:creator>BloodhoundBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Redfin.com&#8217;s Real Estate Consumer&#8217;s Bill of Rights: A wolf in sheepskin clothing . . ....&lt;/strong&gt;

I am a hardliner on the subject of reform in the real estate industry. Over the last nine months, I have written at great length about, among other things, the skill-set required to survive in the future of full-service real estate, empowering buyers, ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Redfin.com&#8217;s Real Estate Consumer&#8217;s Bill of Rights: A wolf in sheepskin clothing . . &#8230;.</strong></p>
<p>I am a hardliner on the subject of reform in the real estate industry. Over the last nine months, I have written at great length about, among other things, the skill-set required to survive in the future of full-service real estate, empowering buyers, &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Real Estate Consumer Bill of Rights &#124; Rain City Guide &#124; A Seattle Real Estate Blog...</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Real Estate Consumer Bill of Rights &#124; Rain City Guide &#124; A Seattle Real Estate Blog...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Greg Swann of BloodHoundBlog in Arizona, Kevin Boer of 3 Oceans in the CA Bay Area, Kris Berg and I were contacted by Glenn Kelman of Redfin prior to the Inman anouncement and asked to support The Consumer Bill of Rights on Redfin&#8217;s site.  The email we received is posted in Greg&#8217;s article today. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Greg Swann of BloodHoundBlog in Arizona, Kevin Boer of 3 Oceans in the CA Bay Area, Kris Berg and I were contacted by Glenn Kelman of Redfin prior to the Inman anouncement and asked to support The Consumer Bill of Rights on Redfin&#8217;s site.  The email we received is posted in Greg&#8217;s article today. [...]</p>
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